DISPUTE WITH @SONICREFS

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Scammers Profile Link:https://cracked.sh/SonicRefs
Sales Thread: https://cracked.sh/Thread-%E2%AD%90%EF%B...APEST-RATE
Amount or Item(s) Scammed: 548$
Screenshots of Communication: https://imgur.com/a/t24ziSS - https://imgur.com/a/n6TBLXX - https://imgur.com/a/y8lTlpC - https://imgur.com/a/b1qqm42 will send more details to @Darkness and @Liars in PMS 
Crypto address for a refund: 
Additional Information: this user is accepting refund orders from customers and forwards them to other refunders using an alt account once a refund is done by the other refunder he evades fees. 

he failed to pay fees on his alt account after accepting an order from a client and i the refunder gave his alt account a deadline of 24 hours with no exceptions to pay the fee which he didnt meet and failed to pay in 24 hours to which i started to threaten to dox the client for not paying and revealing a few digits of his information to warn him to pay me my fee - customers first letter and last digits of his address and amount to warn the user to pay fees

as soon as sonic saw this leak of his customer he deleted the alt account and is telling the customer that he doesnt have this info of the customer 


The customer noticed the matching information being leaked in a public chat and ended up contacting me to see if it was his order which he sent to sonic to handle and it indeed was his order.

The order was sent from sonics alt account to me (order matched the details of the customer who sent it to sonic before he deleted chats of the customer and denied having the account after losing access to the account by evading fees from me)  

in which sonic ended up not paying fees and got the customers information published in a public chat, customer had sent the order to sonic to handle and you got his information leaked because you sent to order to me on an alt account without the customer being aware of this and evaded fees, which the customer later asked you for an update and you denied having the account after losing it by evading fees you denied having the account when you clearly took the order.

You took the order and told the customer that you don't know anything about his order which we got chat proof for that you did take the order(can show in dm's to mods). You sent the order to me on your alt account and evaded fees which resulted in the customers information being leaked in a public chat and finding out that you scammed the customer.

we have evidence that you said that the customer deleted the logs and that you have ayugram downloaded and only shows the deleted messages when the customer deleted messages?
https://imgur.com/a/o4yi2g8 - https://imgur.com/a/5nozFmZ - 
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as seen here he said he never got the order and that his telegram saves deleted messages that the customer deletes right?

in the previous dispute which was closed because someone else made the report on my behalf you can see that sonic admits to getting the order sonic has stated in the previous thread that "This client sent me this order whoever he deleted the chat and i never got the chance to even add to my workers lists"
https://imgur.com/a/scRBo8Y
as seen here https://cracked.sh/Thread-Scam-report-against-SonicRefs

https://imgur.com/a/5nozFmZ
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in the previous image i showed sonic himself admitting that if the chat is deleted by the other person, ayugram does not save it but in the image provided by sonic with the customer 
HERE: https://imgur.com/a/o4yi2g8
the clients details magically disappeared when sonic took this screenshot right? but he admitted previously that he did infact get the order but just didnt have the time to send it to his worker etc etc..

so sonic admitted to getting the order  and in the image he showed there is no order details as sonic admitted if chats are deleted by sonic they dont show but only show if its deleted by the customer
so this points out that sonic deleted the clients details on telegram and tried to act like he never took the order (can share logs of that with admins aswell in pms)

user sonic is very deceitful and is contradicting himself with evidence provided by himself and is doing a terrible job of covering his tracks

user has already been banned of promoting his mentorship on cio as its mostly public: https://cracked.sh/Thread-Dispute-with-Sonic-Refunds

so this is not his first scam

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i also want to add that sonic did state previously that he never received the order but after some pressure and informing him that i do have proof that he got the order
he changed his narrative to "This client sent me this order whoever he deleted the chat and i never got the chance to even add to my workers lists"

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https://imgur.com/a/p7DdRl
sonic had claimed previously that he was never sent this order and tried to evade the claims on the previous dispute and changed his narrative short while later after acknowledging that there is proof

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https://imgur.com/a/p7DdRl
sonic had claimed previously that he was never sent this order and tried to evade the claims on the previous dispute and changed his narrative short while later after acknowledging that there is proof

https://ibb.co/99syzkC

https://imgur.com/a/63w5RFn

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Scammers Profile Link:https://cracked.sh/SonicRefs
Sales Thread: https://cracked.sh/Thread-%E2%AD%90%EF%B...APEST-RATE
Amount or Item(s) Scammed: 548$
Screenshots of Communication: https://imgur.com/a/t24ziSS - https://imgur.com/a/n6TBLXX - https://imgur.com/a/y8lTlpC - https://imgur.com/a/b1qqm42 will send more details to @Darkness and @Liars in PMS 
Crypto address for a refund: 
Additional Information: this user is accepting refund orders from customers and forwards them to other refunders using an alt account once a refund is done by the other refunder he evades fees. 

he failed to pay fees on his alt account after accepting an order from a client and i the refunder gave his alt account a deadline of 24 hours with no exceptions to pay the fee which he didnt meet and failed to pay in 24 hours to which i started to threaten to dox the client for not paying and revealing a few digits of his information to warn him to pay me my fee - customers first letter and last digits of his address and amount to warn the user to pay fees

as soon as sonic saw this leak of his customer he deleted the alt account and is telling the customer that he doesnt have this info of the customer 


The customer noticed the matching information being leaked in a public chat and ended up contacting me to see if it was his order which he sent to sonic to handle and it indeed was his order.

The order was sent from sonics alt account to me (order matched the details of the customer who sent it to sonic before he deleted chats of the customer and denied having the account after losing access to the account by evading fees from me)  

in which sonic ended up not paying fees and got the customers information published in a public chat, customer had sent the order to sonic to handle and you got his information leaked because you sent to order to me on an alt account without the customer being aware of this and evaded fees, which the customer later asked you for an update and you denied having the account after losing it by evading fees you denied having the account when you clearly took the order.

You took the order and told the customer that you don't know anything about his order which we got chat proof for that you did take the order(can show in dm's to mods). You sent the order to me on your alt account and evaded fees which resulted in the customers information being leaked in a public chat and finding out that you scammed the customer.

we have evidence that you said that the customer deleted the logs and that you have ayugram downloaded and only shows the deleted messages when the customer deleted messages?
https://imgur.com/a/o4yi2g8 - https://imgur.com/a/5nozFmZ - 
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as seen here he said he never got the order and that his telegram saves deleted messages that the customer deletes right?

in the previous dispute which was closed because someone else made the report on my behalf you can see that sonic admits to getting the order sonic has stated in the previous thread that "This client sent me this order whoever he deleted the chat and i never got the chance to even add to my workers lists"
https://imgur.com/a/scRBo8Y
as seen here https://cracked.sh/Thread-Scam-report-against-SonicRefs

https://imgur.com/a/5nozFmZ
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in the previous image i showed sonic himself admitting that if the chat is deleted by the other person, ayugram does not save it but in the image provided by sonic with the customer 
HERE: https://imgur.com/a/o4yi2g8
the clients details magically disappeared when sonic took this screenshot right? but he admitted previously that he did infact get the order but just didnt have the time to send it to his worker etc etc..

so sonic admitted to getting the order  and in the image he showed there is no order details as sonic admitted if chats are deleted by sonic they dont show but only show if its deleted by the customer
so this points out that sonic deleted the clients details on telegram and tried to act like he never took the order (can share logs of that with admins aswell in pms)

user sonic is very deceitful and is contradicting himself with evidence provided by himself and is doing a terrible job of covering his tracks

user has already been banned of promoting his mentorship on cio as its mostly public: https://cracked.sh/Thread-Dispute-with-Sonic-Refunds

so this is not his first scam

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i also want to add that sonic did state previously that he never received the order but after some pressure and informing him that i do have proof that he got the order
he changed his narrative to "This client sent me this order whoever he deleted the chat and i never got the chance to even add to my workers lists"

Hello Professor @refunded,
I’ve already spoken with you on Telegram and shared evidence with @Liars. Despite this, I still have ad permissions in all refunding chats and everyone agrees that there is no evidence supporting your claims.
I’ve also created a Telegram group @Sonic795notscam where you can review all the proof that we aren’t scammers and see that your accusations are baseless. On multiple occasions you and your friends have made false allegations against my service, but these claims have been fake and exposed in the group I mentioned.

The client initially sent me the order, but the chat was deleted before I could even add it to my workers list. My team works with me at a 2% rate on Amazon orders, so I have no reason to send an order to the professor when I regularly handle over 25 orders weekly, each worth over $1k+

My workers can vouch for me, and we have chat logs as proof of all the work we've completed. I don't use alt accounts and only work with Sonic Refunds. There’s no evidence to suggest that the deleted account belongs to me. I’ve already spoken to Star/Professor on Telegram and provided proof of my attempts to contact the "victim." After I asked the "victim" to prove I am a scammer, he deleted his account a few moments later.

I suspect that the "victim" was trying to scam professor and when exposed came up with this false story. There is absolutely no reason for me to scam $569, and I never received any payments at all. I requested information from both Star and the professor regarding Amazon account details, but neither has provided this information.

This deleted account can be anyone unless proven otherwise! I have 0 reasons to scam since I’m the biggest provider for Amazons at the moment, getting the most workflow!

That’s some nonsense. There is literally no evidence on this video, and also the “victim” deleted his account after I confronted him.

When contacting professor he answered me with multiple nonsense answers + I asked him for proofs like txid, but I never received anything for this. i asked him to proof I’m the deleted account for which he has no evidence. The “”victim”” deleted his account after being confronted! 0 proofs that the victim didn’t send this account to other refunders that tried doing this!

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Just vouching for sonic honestly I’ve done now two refunds with him both over $1k with no issues. He’s straightforward, and responds quickly. I’ve never seen any alt of his or anything like that but I know many of us have never had issues with his refunding service.

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you replied with 

"The client initially sent me the order, but the chat was deleted before I could even add it to my workers list. My team works with me at a 2% rate on Amazon orders"

where is the chat logs with the client showing his details?

the images you provided where you claimed you never got the order and you showed an image that the client never sent you the order because ayugram would save it

you claimed you never got the order and now you contradict yourself by saying you did get the order but just didnt have time to send it to your workers which doesnt make sense 
you admit to getting the order but just claim that you didnt send it to your workers which is irrelevant because you could have deleted the chats with your workers

"I suspect that the "victim" was trying to scam professor and when exposed came up with this false story. There is absolutely no reason for me to scam $569, and I never received any payments at all."

the victims information matched the same information the victim sent to you which your alt account had sent the order to me to handle

you never receiving payments does not prove your innocence the client just didnt get the login details back for you to ask for payment

you accept refund orders from customers and forward them to other refunders using an alt account once a refund is done by the other refunder you evade fees by demanding the other refunder for login details to confirm the refund and you steal the account back which didnt work with me and you lost the customers account on this attempt. 

"This deleted account can be anyone unless proven otherwise!"

the customer sends the order to you -> an alt account with customers exact details sends the order to me ->  you lose access to the customers details because you refused to pay fees
->  you delete the chat logs with the client and claim that you never got the order -> you find out we got proof customer sent you the order -> you change narrative to getting the order but just not having enough time to send it to your workers 

you keep tryng to lie and say that there is no proof when there clearly is you just dont want to acknowledge it to act dumb and innocent

"There is literally no evidence on this video, and also the “victim” deleted his account after I confronted him."

the victim has not deleted his account but has blocked you and does not want to associate with you anymore -> stop spreading lies about the customer there is proof his account is not deleted 

you also asked me in dms for the chat logs which for obvious reasons wont be provided to you -> no customer info/ chat logs is safe with you i have provided everything to admins to take necessary action

"My workers can vouch for me, and we have chat logs as proof of all the work we've completed. I don't use alt accounts and only work with Sonic Refunds."

https://cracked.sh/Thread-SOLVED--1756758

in this dispute which got closed after you paying a 1500$ fee -> mario clearly stated that you used an alt account to steal his monthly groups materials and rebrand it to sell it as a 400$ mentorship you have 0 credibility left 

you were forced to pay mario the 1500$ fine after stealing his mentorship content without his permission by using an alt account and you still claim you dont have alts and that you are trusted?

stop spreading lies about the victims and dont throw dirt on the people that you scammed i also have not forgotten about your threats against me for providing proof of your scams 

you tried to put a 1000$ reward on telegram to someone that can dox and swat me in order to silence me for exposing your scams 

https://ibb.co/Wfq9XdP

https://imgur.com/a/X08cZZW
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as seen here you tried to silence me for speaking out against you and even put 1000$ on my head to threaten and silence me in order for you to prevent me from exposing you for your scams 

in no way shape or form is this justified regardless of any claims of innocence you may make, the fact that you resorted to threats of doxing and swatting me in order to silence me is a clear indication of your guilt

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you replied with 

"The client initially sent me the order, but the chat was deleted before I could even add it to my workers list. My team works with me at a 2% rate on Amazon orders"

where is the chat logs with the client showing his details?

the images you provided where you claimed you never got the order and you showed an image that the client never sent you the order because ayugram would save it

you claimed you never got the order and now you contradict yourself by saying you did get the order but just didnt have time to send it to your workers which doesnt make sense 
you admit to getting the order but just claim that you didnt send it to your workers which is irrelevant because you could have deleted the chats with your workers

"I suspect that the "victim" was trying to scam professor and when exposed came up with this false story. There is absolutely no reason for me to scam $569, and I never received any payments at all."

the victims information matched the same information the victim sent to you which your alt account had sent the order to me to handle

you never receiving payments does not prove your innocence the client just didnt get the login details back for you to ask for payment

you accept refund orders from customers and forward them to other refunders using an alt account once a refund is done by the other refunder you evade fees by demanding the other refunder for login details to confirm the refund and you steal the account back which didnt work with me and you lost the customers account on this attempt. 

"This deleted account can be anyone unless proven otherwise!"

the customer sends the order to you -> an alt account with customers exact details sends the order to me ->  you lose access to the customers details because you refused to pay fees
->  you delete the chat logs with the client and claim that you never got the order -> you find out we got proof customer sent you the order -> you change narrative to getting the order but just not having enough time to send it to your workers 

you keep tryng to lie and say that there is no proof when there clearly is you just dont want to acknowledge it to act dumb and innocent

"There is literally no evidence on this video, and also the “victim” deleted his account after I confronted him."

the victim has not deleted his account but has blocked you and does not want to associate with you anymore -> stop spreading lies about the customer there is proof his account is not deleted 

you also asked me in dms for the chat logs which for obvious reasons wont be provided to you -> no customer info/ chat logs is safe with you i have provided everything to admins to take necessary action

"My workers can vouch for me, and we have chat logs as proof of all the work we've completed. I don't use alt accounts and only work with Sonic Refunds."

https://cracked.sh/Thread-SOLVED--1756758

in this dispute which got closed after you paying a 1500$ fee -> mario clearly stated that you used an alt account to steal his monthly groups materials and rebrand it to sell it as a 400$ mentorship you have 0 credibility left 

you were forced to pay mario the 1500$ fine after stealing his mentorship content without his permission by using an alt account and you still claim you dont have alts and that you are trusted?

stop spreading lies about the victims and dont throw dirt on the people that you scammed i also have not forgotten about your threats against me for providing proof of your scams 

you tried to put a 1000$ reward on telegram to someone that can dox and swat me in order to silence me for exposing your scams 

https://ibb.co/Wfq9XdP

https://imgur.com/a/X08cZZW
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as seen here you tried to silence me for speaking out against you and even put 1000$ on my head to threaten and silence me in order for you to prevent me from exposing you for your scams 

in no way shape or form is this justified regardless of any claims of innocence you may make, the fact that you resorted to threats of doxing and swatting me in order to silence me is a clear indication of your guilt

"where is the chat logs with the client showing his details?

the images you provided where you claimed you never got the order and you showed an image that the client never sent you the order because ayugram would save it

you claimed you never got the order and now you contradict yourself by saying you did get the order but just didnt have time to send it to your workers which doesnt make sense 
you admit to getting the order but just claim that you didnt send it to your workers which is irrelevant because you could have deleted the chats with your workers"

- He deleted the chats he asked me about his account, I then proceed saying that i had no chats! I never got his account done or give to anyone! He deleted it before i could do anything. After i asked him for proof that i am scammer he deleted his telegram account!

- It saves just for a time. download ayugram before going conclusions! It save temporarily only!

- I never said i didn't got the order. What i said is that he sent me it but i never started it and never sent to any of my workers! My workers can confirm and vouch for me. Why would i scam someone with a open chat mate it don't even make sense!

"the victims information matched the same information the victim sent to you which your alt account had sent the order to me to handle

you never receiving payments does not prove your innocence the client just didnt get the login details back for you to ask for payment

you accept refund orders from customers and forward them to other refunders using an alt account once a refund is done by the other refunder you evade fees by demanding the other refunder for login details to confirm the refund and you steal the account back which didnt work with me and you lost the customers account on this attempt."

- How you can proof that's my alt account. How you can proof the "victim didn't send this same order to other refunders or maybe this was his alt account! there is no actual proof? If it's a "he said, she said" situation then it's retarded to make a dd.

- That doesn't make any sense at all!

- No i don't i accept orders from customers and foward all they to my workers where i have a list with 30+ orders and a separated session for paid orders! I have 0 reasons to be sending you orders for 5% when they do all for lower rate! I wouldn't ruin my reputation for any money!

"This deleted account can be anyone unless proven otherwise!"

"the customer sends the order to you -> an alt account with customers exact details sends the order to me ->  you lose access to the customers details because you refused to pay fees
->  you delete the chat logs with the client and claim that you never got the order -> you find out we got proof customer sent you the order -> you change narrative to getting the order but just not having enough time to send it to your workers 

you keep tryng to lie and say that there is no proof when there clearly is you just dont want to acknowledge it to act dumb and innocent"

- I never did that! You have 0 proofs i ever did that! I already said i never started this order. 

- I am not lying and you have 0 proofs it's a lie mate! that's the case it's just he said case and again there is 0 evidence on what you presenting! I have loads people that can vouch for my legit work including other refunders. Reputable users also acknowledge that we are not scammers including all refunding group owners!

"There is literally no evidence on this video, and also the “victim” deleted his account after I confronted him."

the victim has not deleted his account but has blocked you and does not want to associate with you anymore -> stop spreading lies about the customer there is proof his account is not deleted 

you also asked me in dms for the chat logs which for obvious reasons wont be provided to you -> no customer info/ chat logs is safe with you i have provided everything to admins to take necessary action"

- He blocked me but for what reason? I don't understand if i just asked him for proofs i scammed someone! That's pure nonsense and you also think that's right? If was you on my case you really think that makes any sense? If i am trying to sort the situation and show my points to him that i am not the person that did it he just straight block me!

"My workers can vouch for me, and we have chat logs as proof of all the work we've completed. I don't use alt accounts and only work with Sonic Refunds."

https://cracked.sh/Thread-SOLVED--1756758

"in this dispute which got closed after you paying a 1500$ fee -> mario clearly stated that you used an alt account to steal his monthly groups materials and rebrand it to sell it as a 400$ mentorship you have 0 credibility left "

- I have sorted everything i had to sort with Mario focus on your case and don't relay to others to try make yours more reliable!

you were forced to pay mario the 1500$ fine after stealing his mentorship content without his permission by using an alt account and you still claim you dont have alts and that you are trusted?

- I wasn't forced i paid because i wanted the copyright of some of his methods which i happily paid for him! 

stop spreading lies about the victims and dont throw dirt on the people that you scammed i also have not forgotten about your threats against me for providing proof of your scams 

- What lies exactly? I haven't scammed anyone! I wouldn't pay even a $1 to try doing something against you mate you not worth my time! I have made such comment just for a little entertainment on the group!

you tried to put a 1000$ reward on telegram to someone that can dox and swat me in order to silence me for exposing your scams 

https://ibb.co/Wfq9XdP

https://imgur.com/a/X08cZZW
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as seen here you tried to silence me for speaking out against you and even put 1000$ on my head to threaten and silence me in order for you to prevent me from exposing you for your scams 

-  I wouldn't pay even a $1 to try doing something against you mate you not worth my time! I have made such comment just for a little entertainment on the group!

in no way shape or form is this justified regardless of any claims of innocence you may make, the fact that you resorted to threats of doxing and swatting me in order to silence me is a clear indication of your guilt

-  I wouldn't pay even a $1 to try doing something against you mate you not worth my time! I have made such comment just for a little entertainment on the group!

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@Liars @Darkness this case is still not solved